Subject	having worked for a big ticket item retailer for 20 years...
Posted by	vorpalZ on August 03, 2009 at 9:59 AM
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In Reply To	my issue with cash for clunkers posted by Technomancer on August 03, 2009 at 09:37 AM
Message	I'm not surprised. Of course the dealer will use a federal program to their advantage. Any 'sales' 'promotions' 'deals' 'rebates' 'factory pricing' 'employee pricing' 'overstock' 'last years models' are all bumpf. The margins are calculated, the profit is always there for the dealer. Trade-ins are calculated on full retail price, not sale price. Fees are always extra. MSRP's are a joke. If there is the slightest opportunity for more profit to be made, they will do it, usually from misinformation, fact omission, deal and financing confusion and simple outright lying to the customer. This is the common accepted practice for automotive dealerships. That's why I've never purchased a new vehicle from a dealer's lot. Lessons learned, Regards, My Zs are hybrid vehicles, they run on gasoline and money I'm off to wax mine and go for a drive now. - BigTDogg (MA) 07:17:08 07/17/09 times change, people change, but the Z32 still kicks ass. - apudapus 16:46:02 06/15/07 I was more wondering how you set your climate control to 22* lol, it would be that fastest freezer on wheels! - Briscoe'sZ32 (NJ) 23:15:44 02/05/07 You have *got* to be getting a cut from B&B :D - SeedyROM 15:24:29 08/16/06 What do you think B&B stands for? - YugoBernie (NoVA) 15:57:09 08/16/06
Follow Ups	my issue with cash for clunkers - Technomancer 09:37:02 08/03/09 2nd idea: Don't go into debt to buy a car - zfreak(Dallas) 09:45:37 08/03/09 That's a great idea - Technomancer 09:49:45 08/03/09 "All hail to the mighty FICO score" - zfreak(Dallas) 14:25:44 08/03/09 OK - Technomancer 14:36:06 08/03/09 Yeah, but can you piss farther? - Z_Cherub 15:48:42 08/03/09 this is the right answer (n/m) - Gizmo 16:20:20 08/03/09 Well, you sound good but - ConVerTT 16:54:27 08/03/09 Not quite.... - zfreak(Dallas) 09:57:18 08/05/09 You still have taxes, insurance, etc... - The Hawk 18:10:03 08/03/09 what about your opportunity cost? - Ahmed (Chicago) 12:47:41 08/04/09 Im with you on that......................................... (n/m) - quikz 20:58:16 08/04/09 huh...how many people pay cash for a new car? (n/m) - Gizmo 13:01:08 08/03/09 I dunno.. I don't buy new cars. - zfreak(Dallas) 14:20:58 08/03/09 I don't agree completely with your "all debt is bad debt" - Z_Cherub 16:16:13 08/03/09 Right - it should be "all car debt is bad debt" - ConVerTT 16:56:59 08/03/09 Meh, before the market crashed, I picked up a 2001 Corolla - BigTDogg (MA) 17:05:06 08/03/09 He's obviously special..... (n/m) - The Hawk 12:00:27 08/04/09 I actually agree with you here - Technomancer 13:08:41 08/04/09 You'd be a fool to pay w/ cash..... - The Hawk 18:06:20 08/03/09 Yeah, let's see here. - zfreak(Dallas) 09:58:45 08/05/09 Re: my issue with cash for clunkers - njz 09:50:35 08/03/09 Think of it as a tax cut for people who buy 1 & crush 1 (n/m) - Technomancer 10:16:04 08/03/09 WRONG - LJZTT 19:16:45 08/03/09 Anyone who paid more than $4500 in taxes and uses this law - Technomancer 11:33:10 08/04/09 You even sound like Obama and the socialists, you sell it - LJZTT 15:07:50 08/04/09 that rant wasnt meant to be directed specifically at you - LJZTT 20:51:22 08/04/09 Wealth creation requires a supportive government.Gov doesn't - Whatsthegoodword 13:06:09 08/03/09 Oh, and the highway system didn't create wealth either, it - Whatsthegoodword 13:25:13 08/03/09 China's problem is too LITTLE government control? - BobbyT 18:49:59 08/03/09 having worked for a big ticket item retailer for 20 years... - vorpalZ 09:59:59 08/03/09 Why did you remove the aftermarket parts before pricing the - Z_Cherub 10:00:06 08/03/09 I didn't expect the dealer to eat the entire rebate - Technomancer 10:10:53 08/03/09 No worries. The message got accross fine - Z_Cherub 10:15:37 08/03/09 \Well, of course, did you really think they were going to - twinturbineZ 10:03:31 08/03/09 not every consumer comes armed to battle dealers - dpjax 10:06:14 08/03/09 2nd - 96300NAZ 10:42:19 08/03/09 I was surprised the program took off like it did! - Z DNA 10:43:45 08/03/09 Well, it is between 10% and 30% off the price of something - Technomancer 11:05:51 08/03/09 I'm sorry, I didn't mean you personally.... - Z DNA 12:36:13 08/03/09 I figured thats what the dealers would do - ztunerz 10:49:31 08/03/09 Gov't, picking winners and losers equals "rationing"... - i-xclr8 11:02:53 08/03/09 Re: my issue with cash for clunkers - snowboardin58 11:38:06 08/03/09 You started out coherent, but by the end of that thing you - Z_Cherub 13:36:28 08/03/09 i have a Patriot i am thinking of selling =P (n/m) - Alan(MD/NJ) 13:44:13 08/03/09 Care to share your thoghts on the car? - Technomancer 14:43:56 08/03/09 Ugh..."thoughts" (n/m) - Technomancer 15:03:10 08/03/09 That the first thing i thought... - ix3 17:00:34 08/03/09 Socialism/liberalism/progressivism at its FINEST - LJZTT 18:54:00 08/03/09 Palin in 2012..............................................h - dpjax 20:00:03 08/03/09 At least she'll keep the feds out of my life where they have - LJZTT 20:42:10 08/03/09 The feds are in your life? - dpjax 21:56:02 08/03/09 What is your 12 months return? - Brad(RI) 23:04:47 08/03/09 "from each according to their ability, to each according to - LJZTT 23:43:15 08/03/09 Wilkow refers to them as the "Zero liability voter" (n/m) - WayneLaR 19:34:47 08/04/09 if I have to answer that question for you, I might as well - LJZTT 23:38:39 08/03/09
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